tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25499814.post115629522340734606..comments2023-10-30T04:22:31.056-07:00Comments on Blue Wren: That niggly question ...Wrenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09285813981508179421noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25499814.post-1156755699249590092006-08-28T02:01:00.000-07:002006-08-28T02:01:00.000-07:00Helmut points us to this article at Times UK, whic...<A HREF="http://phronesisaical.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Helmut</A> points us to <A HREF="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2099-2318643,00.html" REL="nofollow">this article at Times UK</A>, which is sad on so many levels......roxtarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00578012483935100786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25499814.post-1156437755145379032006-08-24T09:42:00.000-07:002006-08-24T09:42:00.000-07:00Depending on events in the next couple of years, t...Depending on events in the next couple of years, there's a good chance Bush will simply continue on the same track - oblivious of his errors and saying the same things over and over. That is, his own version of "stay the course," which is sure to be as beneficial to us as the same tatic has been for Iraqis.Kevin Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490345765638949916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25499814.post-1156385620474197722006-08-23T19:13:00.000-07:002006-08-23T19:13:00.000-07:00Thanks, Tom. In my family, when someone is talking...Thanks, Tom. In my family, when someone is talking but no one seems to be listening, the person talking says, with a bit of irony, "listen to the wind blow!"<BR/><BR/>There's a lot of wind blowing these days, and sometimes it seems like that's about all there is.Wrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09285813981508179421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25499814.post-1156352425999316402006-08-23T10:00:00.000-07:002006-08-23T10:00:00.000-07:00Hi, Blue Wren...What you don't understand is that ...Hi, Blue Wren...<BR/><BR/>What you don't understand is that <BR/>the invasion of Iraq was never about<BR/>'democracy'. It was never about the<BR/>'war on terror'. Invading Iraq was / <BR/>is about pillaging the American <BR/>treasury and picking the pockets of <BR/>the American people. In this way, <BR/>Iraq is much like Vietnam, which <BR/>was never about Communism. What has<BR/>happened in Iraq is of minor <BR/>consequence to the monsters who are<BR/>feeding off the spoils. They never<BR/>intended to have a stable society<BR/>in Iraq - else, we would be leaving<BR/>there before the end of the current<BR/>mistake (that we call an <BR/>administration) in Washington. The<BR/>longer we stay in Iraq, the more <BR/>billions they make. You give<BR/>Codpiece too much credit. The man is<BR/>nothing more than a thief and he<BR/>and his VP care NOTHING about the<BR/>suffering of others. Codpiece cannot<BR/>call Iraq a mistake because to him,<BR/>the resultant depletion of the <BR/>American treasury is no mistake at <BR/>all. This is what he intended all<BR/>along. Generations to come will be<BR/>paying for his lies.<BR/>I absolutely agree that there must<BR/>be accountability. These bastards <BR/>are war criminals, just as surely <BR/>as any of the worst of the Nazis.<BR/>This is the man who assured us that<BR/>"Jesus Christ has changed my heart".<BR/>Blue Wren, it is of little comfort<BR/>to those who suffer because of his<BR/>taking Jesus's name in vain but <BR/>Codpiece WILL be held accountable -<BR/>eternally - because he has no idea<BR/>that he should repent.<BR/>But this does not mean that you and<BR/>I should stop speaking out. You are<BR/>on the right track. Keep it up!Tom ta tum Tom https://www.blogger.com/profile/04276662271242383597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25499814.post-1156303611504687552006-08-22T20:26:00.000-07:002006-08-22T20:26:00.000-07:00A very good question, Kapt.We made a shameful mist...A very good question, Kapt.<BR/><BR/>We made a shameful mistake when we attacked Iraq. Lots of Americans predicted exactly what would happen -- Americans of some learning and experience -- and were accused of being unpatriotic and traitorous. They were ignored.<BR/>As were millions of rational, thinking people all over the world.<BR/><BR/>However, the Iraq War is now a done deal, and here we sit, watching as it all burns down around us. If we stay, we're doing exactly nothing to help the Iraqi people we ostensibly dropped destruction on in order to help. If we leave, we must face the fact that we've utterly failed in whatever the mission was in the first place (along with its various versions, trotted out one by one since). We'll lose face, credibility, and influence, along with the $308 billion (and counting) we've spent on the war so far. Those who've lost their lives serving Bush's fantasy of empire and the greed of the corporations who pull his strings must be mourned, and those who've returned maimed and injured for life, physically and mentally, must be cared for with compassion and understanding. We will never be forgiven by the thousands and thousands of Iraqi cilivians killed and maimed during this most opportunistic of wars. Nor should we be.<BR/><BR/>As a nation, America will wear this war as a badge of shame forever.<BR/><BR/>The men and women who told us lies to get us into it should be made accountable before both this nation and the world.<BR/><BR/>Is there a way out? <BR/><BR/>Fortunately, plans to exctricate our forces while salvaging what little honor remains to America do exist. The one that comes immediately to mind is Senator John Murtha's, which he put before the Congress, the president and the American people back in April of this year, only to be scorned, Swift-boated and called a traitor.<BR/><BR/>Yet, looked at with rational and unemotional eyes, it seems like a reasonable plan. You can see it here:<BR/><BR/>http://www.house.gov/list/press/pa12_murtha/pr060407.html<BR/><BR/>I'm sure that if we weren't being led by a cretin who can only repeat the same, senseless argument over and over again, a man who's too stubborn to face the fact of his monstrous mistake like a grown-up, Murtha's plan or one similar to it would be viable.<BR/><BR/>Yes, the Iraqis will continue to kill one another until a strong man -- or country, like Iran, unfortunately -- comes along to put a stop to it. But America can't stop it, and it's long past time for us to face facts. By staying where we are, we're accomplishing nothing. We're only acting as catalysts to bring more horror and bloodshed on the Iraqi people, who surely never deserved this.<BR/><BR/>By leaving, at the very least we'll stop killing our own. It's the right, and moral, thing to do.<BR/><BR/>The payment in pride is a small thing in comparison to the debt of blood and death America has on her hands. It needs to stop now, while we still have souls.Wrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09285813981508179421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25499814.post-1156296077977045122006-08-22T18:21:00.000-07:002006-08-22T18:21:00.000-07:00All very interesting but what is your solution...w...All very interesting but what is your solution...withdraw and leave them to the mess we have created?Kapt Krazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14257727683042426066noreply@blogger.com